Are the Seahawks the Patriots of the NFC? | First Take

Pubblicato il 17 lug 2019
Max Kellerman, Kewshawn Johnson and Domonique Foxworth look at the Seattle Seahawks consistency and debate whether there is a comparison between them and the New England Patriots. #FirstTake
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  • Patriots also play in the same division as the Bills, Dolphins and the Jets. They automatically in the playoffs every year before the season even starts. And the NFC a much stronger division than the AFC.

    • Thank you!! Nobody bringing up that point!

  • Seahawks > Patriots Max stop talking non sense.

  • Quick answer. No!!!!!

  • Max Kellerman is STUNNINGLY full of shit.

  • Nyg are better lol 2 superbowls against New England New England 0 giants 2

    • Equals eli manning the true goat

  • Is this even a question? Heeeeellll noooooo Seahawks ain’t even the best NFC team lol 😂😂😂😂

  • Seahawks have been relevant for 7 years straight. Saints haven't, Packers havent, Rams haven't. I know no team in the NFC is like the Patriots, but if you HAD to pick a team closest to the Patriots in the NFC it would be the Seahawks

  • nah.

  • the 3rd guy talking obviously cant understand what the question is. Nobody is saying anyone is the Pats but the Pats, this guy is really an idiot if we cant figure out what the question entails.

  • The Seahawks probably won’t win their division for a few years lol. The Rams are just better.

  • Seahawks= packers

  • If the hawks can win 12 games every year, if you can take other teams cut players and turn them into what they are suppose to be, then if you qb can deliver and win games you taught was already lost than yes, but they are not that!

  • Seahawks are looking up at the Rams, Patriots look up to NOBODY in the Afc east. Also no player in Patriots history has ever flipped the bird at bellicheck the way Thomas did Carroll.

  • I'm a Seahawks fan and I wanna throw up at that comparison. The Seahawks have been to the SB twice. And not since 2015. That's a drought compared to New England. Secondly, the Seahawks tried hella hard to keep our core but we couldnt because of the salary cap and we had to let dudes go and we're still building on the pieces we have left. The Patriots do not give a God damn about releasing good players. And lastly, we've never won more than one playoff game since our SB loss. Aren't the Pats in the AFC Championship like every year? The NFC doesn't have a dominant team like New England. It's always been way more competitive. We are not the Patriots. That is laughable.

  • I'll take that! We'll need 5 more trophies, then.

  • As soon as the Hawks have won six titles they are. They are just not as lucky to be the only good team in an otherwise shitty division.

  • Uh the Seahawks are trash😂 there not even close to the patriots😆

  • Alright Max, chill out.

  • Bradys asshole was so puckered tight when that last play went down he was ready to cry tommy boy got fucking lucky pats dynasty stops there if seattle wins

  • The Patriots won every year because their division typically sucks! They haven’t had to play against the stout competition the Seahawks have. Is the AFC getting better? Yes! I think the power could be shifting to the AFC now, but for Wilson’s first 7 years the NFC has been an absolute war zone. If not for the Patriots, Ravens and Broncos, they would have no Super Bowls. In fact, the Seahawks and Eagles are the only NFC teams to win Super Bowls in the last 7 seasons, even though the NFC has been the toughest conference. Maybe the stiff competition is the reason. The Patriots face an easier road TO the Super Bowl and have fresher legs when they get there. SB 47 Ravens over 49ers SB 48 Seahawks over Broncos SB 49 Patriots GIFT from Seahawks SB 50 Broncos over Panthers SB 51 Patriots over Falcons SB 52 Eagles over Patriots SB 53 Patriots over Rams Patriots have won 3 of the last 5 titles and played for 4 of the last 5. No questioning their dominance. My question is, how does a team that has essentially lost every time it has faced the Seahawks during the Wilson-Carroll era (and convincingly so), keep getting to Super Bowls. 🤔 It’s the schedules. I don’t know if Robert Kraft and Roger Goodell are having an affair, but something doesn’t smell right. The Patriots ate good, but not THAT good, and they’ve been caught cheating multiple times. Sh*t is rigged. I’m not saying teams can’t just be dominant. I’m saying that a truly dominant team doesn’t resort to cheating - like Brady and Belichick - and that they have SOMEHOW benefitted from a consistently soft schedule, even in the playoffs. What’s done in the dark will come to the light.

    • Glad you got this off your chest. Now say it without crying

  • Keyshawn doesn’t understand what Max is saying. The fact that he brought up the Saints tells you that. The Seahawks are the second-winningest team in the league since 2012-13. Max is saying that if you compare apples to apples they are similar lamf! Seattle should have won two Super Bowls, and if they win two over the past 7 years they would be well ahead of anything Sean Payton and Drew Brees managed in their first 7 seasons.

  • Brady is “greater” than Russell because he has played longer and is more accomplished - no thanks to former Seahawks O.C. Darrell Bevell - but Russell Wilson is a BETTER QB than Beady. He’s more skilled, he’s more versatile, and he even plays better under pressure.

    • Wilson a better overall QB than Brady? I want what you’re smoking

  • Kellerman is officially on drugs

  • I fucking hate this Sid from Ice-Age, overbiting, spit talking, ugly ass nigga

  • Dumb Shits! SEAHAWKS have been to 3 Super Bowls. Do they just automatically forget about 2006??? Super Bowl XL, Seattle vs Pittsburgh???

  • Seriously? Is this a real question?!?!?

  • Keyshawn would never have gone with that “defense wins championships” narrative when he was playing. Wtf is he talking about?!

    • You need all three teams to play well to win Super Bowls.

  • Nah the Seahawks don't cheat.

  • Saints are clearly the closer of the 2 teams. NFC south has been good for years. Should have been in the Superbowl last year. Before that Atlanta and the Panthers...

  • Um fuck no

  • Total of 3 excuse me gentlemen....Hasselbeck went to a bowl, Wilson has been to two

  • 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a fucking joke

  • No body is the patriots my boys is the best in the afc

    • Nobody* ... my boys are* ...

  • Hell no they not

  • Seahawks are the Seahawks n the NFC west n that’s it lol

  • 9 super bowls for the Pat's not 8

  • The answer to the patriots is Doug Pederson and the eagles

  • Nobody: Max Kellerman : I'm not arguing, I'm telling you this!

  • Domonique Foxworth's comment is pretty moronic, "they've been to 2 superbowls and won 1". Did he expect Wilson to go to the 8 Superbowls Brady went to in 7 years?

  • I agree with Max here. I’m a big Eagles fan but the Seahawks are definitely the closest the NFC has to a dynasty. The saints are not that, they have been pretty bad before these past few years of making the playoffs and have not had the winning consistency that Wilson and Carroll have held since they’ve been in the league.

  • I get what Max is saying. People need to stop comparing the 1 superbowl ring success to the Pats 6. That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Seahawks superbowl drought is similar to the Pats drought. Simply saying the Seahawks could be heading towards a dynasty due to Russell & Pete. Similar to Tom & Bill. That relationship is key.

    • @Ramone DeCurta Thank you, Seahawks will bounce back and win multiple championships in the future

    • Naim Beavers It’s also key to note that former Seahawks O.C. destroyed the previous iteration of the team with one stupid play-call, and simultaneously gift-wrapped one of those Super Bowl titles to the Patriots. The Wilson-Carroll Seahawks should easily be at least 2-0 in Super Bowls, and possibly as great as 4-0 right now.

  • Over the last 7 years the only consistent team in the NFC has been the Seahawks. That was Max’s point. Obviously they’re not on the same level as New England, no one is, but for the NFC no one has been more consistent. I don’t agree with Max often but if you really think about the topic he was spot on

  • Pete wouldn't even be in the NFL if it wasn't for NCAA sanctions

  • Like he said pete and Russell will never even come close to touching that

    • That's only because PC will retire in three years, after 12 years with the Hawks, two of thm without Wilson. When Belichick will retire in 2022 (the year Brady turns 45) he will have been with the Pats and Brady for 22 years. So even if PC and RW will win the next 3 SBs in a row, it's impossible to come close.

  • SAS isn’t here today No worries We got Stephen B Smith

  • No, for the simple fact they cannot say they have been guaranteed to make the playoffs for the last 10-15 years when their QB is healthy. Seahawks were/are barely winning the NFCW let alone the entire NFC every year. Patriots OWN their division, and the rest of the teams have had to be content with hoping to get a wildcard. The actual closest team to the Pats in the NFC would be the Greenbay Packers as they have owned that division for the last decade.

  • What year is this. This feels like a conversation we’d have in 2013

    • I had to check the date real quick when i saw this pop up. lol. I agree

  • Nope they pay the QB waaaayyyy too much, crippled the team

  • How about we talk about the Bears for the first time in 9 months? You know? The NFC north champs?

  • The patriots are like water, there team changes to what they need to win, no other team is like them, because there is only 1 Tom Brady.

  • First take running outta topics....just go on vacation till nfl & nba start back up 🤦🏾‍♂️

  • What kind of question is this😂😂😂😂😂

  • A lie 😂

  • Seahawks were a flash in the pan. The Rams and 49ers are and will find their winning ways again.

    • I'm gonna dispute that. I think the LA Rams are gonna regress this year.

  • Max is retarded

  • Seahawks make the superbowl every season

  • Toilet paper is the closest thing to Max Kellerman, so what..

    • Josh Lei hey toilet paper is great at it's job..max on the other hand..

  • This may the DUMBEST question ever asked on espn & that is a BIG list to top - the Seahawks are barely a winning franchise 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • Hahaha! Well when you play Miami, Bills, and Jets twice, they better be in the playoffs every year.

    • 99% of you won’t GET IT WTF are you lying?! During the Wilson-Carroll era the Seahawks average 11 wins per season, and in the two seasons before that, they went 7-9 twice! That last fact speaks volumes about what Russell Wilson has done for that franchise.

    • 99% of you won’t GET IT 9-7 is barley winning 10-6 is barley winning 11-5 is a good record

  • I'm from New England and I'll tell you guys this, the Dallas cowboys are actually the Patriots of the NFC, yes they haven't been relevant, but when comparing a dynasty that has one 6 Lombardi's, you have to count the rings and Dallas before the 2000s went to the most super bowls with 8... The Patriots went over 50 years with out seeing a Lombardi, and Dallas is suffering a drought rn, but if any team is in that class it's them, 49ers, Steelers,Packers along with obviously New England.. even San Fran, and I'd put money on those dynasties returning before Seattle changes the NFL.... Dallas is the Patriots of the NFC and like the pats of the past, cowboys are struggling rn... Mediocrity at it's finest, but we'll see if the sleeping giant awakes.

    • Alex Almonte : You are out of scope. We aren’t talking historical performances. If that was the case, Max would know that the Steelers, 49ets and Cowboys are closer in overall historical performance - although the Patriots were mostly a doormat from the 1970’s until the 2000’s.

    • Won*

  • Max Kellerman is terrible at his job!

  • Everything has to be compared, so Max Kellerman is the current Simon Wiesenthal of the Hebrews!

  • The Patriots never have to compete in the AFC east. If the Seahawks had home field advantage every year like the Patriots get from their pathetic divisional opponents I suspect they would have even more impressive results in the playoffs. I don't think the Seahawks and Pete Carrol will even come close to half the success of the Patriots because Pete Carrol is so old he'll be forced to retire within the next 3 to 5 years. If he were 10 years younger at this point then OK it might be a discussion but as it stands no one is competing for the numbers. Domonique Foxworth's brain is clearly unable to compare the Seahawks first 7 years to the patriots 1st 7 years. Patriots were in the super bowl 3 of Brady's first 7 years. If the Seahawks make it to the Superbowl this year they will match that record with a lot stiffer competition I might add. So OK it isn't a completely ridiculous discussion but the Seahawks are completely different in coaching styles and playing styles and approaches. If we're talking consistently a playoff contender than ya Pete Carrol and Russel Wilson are similar in that they offer consistency in competitiveness.

    • Pat Moore : Right, but with one caveat: if the Seahawks win the Super Bowl this year it will be 2-1 over 8 years.

  • People forget Pete Carroll coached the Patriots

    • Here in Germany, American Football started becoming popular after the Seahawks' SB win, so a large part of German football fans are Seahawks fans and more than 90% of them are millenial bandwagon fans. Tell that fact to them, half of them won't believe you, the other half will get a heart attack.

  • LMAO NO 😂

  • Fuck no they never win anything

  • Is this a joke?

  • There is no patriots of the nfc. Its a toss up between any team in the nfc really except for a few

  • This topic is dumb. How tf can u compare the Seahawks to the Patriots. Seahawks have been to 3 super bowls in the past 20yrs=1-2. Patriots have been to 9 super bowl =6-3. Seahawks have won there division 4 times in the past 20yrs, Patriots 17 times. Just stop already

  • Hell no seahawks ain’t like the pats fuck outta here

  • Fυck no they cant even make it to a superbowl

  • Umm.. the Patriots get 5 division wins easy. Usually 6. That puts them in the drivers seats for the 1st or 2nd seed each year. Just saying...

  • Brady is not better than Wilson stop it

  • Uhmm LA RAMS owns that division

  • Deez idiots come up wit da dumbest topics ever in 2019 dis a stupid ass question dis wouldve made since like 6 years ago

  • The patriots have always been losing coaches. Wtf Is kJ talking about.

  • Lmfaoooooo 😂. Wtf.

  • The Seahawks also aren't in the easiest division in football like the the Patriots are. AFC East been the weakest division for like 20 years. The NFC west has had Harbaugh's Niners, the Cardinals who made it to the NFC Championship, and now the Sean McVay Rams.

    • Don't forget Jeff Fisher. That dude was a killer when he played the hawks. He sucked in the regular season, but he had our number

  • Funny how it's always the Pats got lucky.. Give the ball to beast mode.. Etc etc.. No mention of the lucky Kearse catch that got them in position in the first place

    • MrJblazini I wouldn’t say the pats or the Seahawks got lucky. When kearse made the catch it was because of his own natural talent. Then when the pats won the Super Bowl it was because of Malcolm butler’s natural talent.

  • Marshawn Lynch got stuffed 4/5 times in the regular season on the one yard line. Just sayin Patriots were also stellar when it came to rushers within the 5 yard line that season

  • Why is this even a topic

    • @daAnder71 👍👍😎

    • Could be a statement for all you know. Good day now!

    • Why don't you end a question with a question mark?